Keeping Gains Post Cycle

[rucker]

Dear Source Check Members,



Keeping gains Post Cycle with the Natural Anabolic Fenugreek


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What’s one of the most difficult things about coming off a cycle, even when you have proper post cycle therapy?



Maintaining the size and strength gains.



If you just came off of anabolic steroids then you probably saw some fairly impressive muscle gains. When dropping from such a powerful muscle building steroid to nothing at all it is nearly impossible to maintain these gains. Most post cycle therapy regimes don’t include products to maintain muscle gains, only products to rejuvenate natural testosterone production. It is nearly impossible to preserve these types of gains without proper muscle building supplements. Fenugreek extract has been shown to mimic the effects of anabolic steroids and free up bound testosterone but is a natural ingredient that is in no way suppressive to testosterone production.



What this means is that someone could supplement fenugreek extract while on post cycle therapy to help maintain, and possibly increase, muscle gains while in a less than ideal physical and mental state for building muscle.



The only fenugreek extract that has ever been proven to enhance muscle gain and free test levels in humans is Testofen (standardized for 50% fenusides). (1) Phyto-Testosterone (https://www.primordialperformance.com/store/phyto_testosterone.html?&cat=249) includes a full clinically effective dose of 800mg.



Keep your gains during post cycle therapy with Phyto-Testosterone (https://www.primordialperformance.com/store/phyto_testosterone.html?&cat=249) – a natural muscle building supplement.





Jim Benvie,
Primordial Performance Marketing


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References – 1. Human Clinical Trial
Gencor Pacific, Inc. (2006)

[G1972]

In my opinion, the only people that keep significant amounts of gains after coming off cycle are people that were so far from their natural genetic limit they could have made the gains made on cycle by training hard and eating right naturally. If you are above your natural genetic limit nothing will keep you from losing lean mass except a cruising dose of testosterone. That is why competing body builders do not come off completely.

[KenHostileCalm]

In my opinion, the only people that keep significant amounts of gains after coming off cycle are people that were so far from their natural genetic limit they could have made the gains made on cycle by training hard and eating right naturally. If you are above your natural genetic limit nothing will keep you from losing lean mass except a cruising dose of testosterone. That is why competing body builders do not come off completely.

This is my opinion as well.

[exiled]

This is my opinion as well.

I agree as well..

[_dash_]

Yep...me too.

[Flex_205]

I partially disagree with the loss of gains theory and feel that it depends on how long you are able to maintain your muscle mass, what I mean is if you go on a cycle for 6 months and put on 30lbs which your body gets comfortable carrying around and in a sense becomes incorporated into your physiology you can maintain these gains despite the fact that they're beyond your initial genetic potential. I feel like you can reset this baseline and that many of us do over time. Think about it the muscle fibers have already expanded to the increased limit, the body has already been that strong before I feel like to an extent it can regain the strength, I view it like a big balloon that we used a helium tank to fill up the first time and then have to blow it up manually the next go around. It's already gotten to max size once it may take more work but we can fill it up again. Now this doesn't mean we can all be 300+ monsters running around naturally this is just saying that we have the ability to reset our natural limits through artificial means and maintain a part of that improvement but an even better question is...

WHEN DID WE START LETTING MEMBERS SPAM OUR FORUMS WITH CRAP PRODUCTS??

[LosTsouL]

WHEN DID WE START LETTING MEMBERS SPAM OUR FORUMS WITH CRAP PRODUCTS??
X2
Not cool

[gunner]

I partially disagree with the loss of gains theory and feel that it depends on how long you are able to maintain your muscle mass, what I mean is if you go on a cycle for 6 months and put on 30lbs which your body gets comfortable carrying around and in a sense becomes incorporated into your physiology you can maintain these gains despite the fact that they're beyond your initial genetic potential. I feel like you can reset this baseline and that many of us do over time. Think about it the muscle fibers have already expanded to the increased limit, the body has already been that strong before I feel like to an extent it can regain the strength, I view it like a big balloon that we used a helium tank to fill up the first time and then have to blow it up manually the next go around. It's already gotten to max size once it may take more work but we can fill it up again. Now this doesn't mean we can all be 300+ monsters running around naturally this is just saying that we have the ability to reset our natural limits through artificial means and maintain a part of that improvement but an even better question is...

WHEN DID WE START LETTING MEMBERS SPAM OUR FORUMS WITH CRAP PRODUCTS??
Lol..

[AUG181983]

I partially disagree with the loss of gains theory and feel that it depends on how long you are able to maintain your muscle mass, what I mean is if you go on a cycle for 6 months and put on 30lbs which your body gets comfortable carrying around and in a sense becomes incorporated into your physiology you can maintain these gains despite the fact that they're beyond your initial genetic potential. I feel like you can reset this baseline and that many of us do over time. Think about it the muscle fibers have already expanded to the increased limit, the body has already been that strong before I feel like to an extent it can regain the strength, I view it like a big balloon that we used a helium tank to fill up the first time and then have to blow it up manually the next go around. It's already gotten to max size once it may take more work but we can fill it up again. Now this doesn't mean we can all be 300+ monsters running around naturally this is just saying that we have the ability to reset our natural limits through artificial means and maintain a part of that improvement but an even better question is...

WHEN DID WE START LETTING MEMBERS SPAM OUR FORUMS WITH CRAP PRODUCTS??

Now thats how you do it FLEX.......Nice respones Bro :cool:

[rucker]

WHEN DID WE START LETTING MEMBERS SPAM OUR FORUMS WITH CRAP PRODUCTS??
X2
Not cool

Actually we're board sponsors. Just curious, have any of you guys tried t his product?

[G1972]

I partially disagree with the loss of gains theory and feel that it depends on how long you are able to maintain your muscle mass, what I mean is if you go on a cycle for 6 months and put on 30lbs which your body gets comfortable carrying around and in a sense becomes incorporated into your physiology you can maintain these gains despite the fact that they're beyond your initial genetic potential. I feel like you can reset this baseline and that many of us do over time. Think about it the muscle fibers have already expanded to the increased limit, the body has already been that strong before I feel like to an extent it can regain the strength, I view it like a big balloon that we used a helium tank to fill up the first time and then have to blow it up manually the next go around. It's already gotten to max size once it may take more work but we can fill it up again. Now this doesn't mean we can all be 300+ monsters running around naturally this is just saying that we have the ability to reset our natural limits through artificial means and maintain a part of that improvement but an even better question is...

WHEN DID WE START LETTING MEMBERS SPAM OUR FORUMS WITH CRAP PRODUCTS??

My only problem with this theory is longer cycles were harder for me to recover from. Six months on would be brutal to recover from. I used to do 12 week cycles before I went all in and started the blast and cruise routine. Even 12 week cycles were a bitch for me to recover from. It was like three steps forward two steps back every time.

[G1972]

Actually we're board sponsors. Just curious, have any of you guys tried t his product?

I haven't, but my wife takes Fenugreek to increase breast milk production.

no shit

and it works.


btw breast milk tastes sweet like candy... just in case any of you wanted to know. :eek:

[rucker]

Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 is now available. We use the same dose that had been shown to increase total test by 42% in only 12 days. It is currently 30% off during our Tax Return Sale. Everything is up to 40% off (http://thesourcecheck.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26229)

[macburnz]

Actually I think VO ran a thread that will dispell you losing gains theory...Maybe Bigbench wrote it I cant remember...It talked about calorie intake and shocking the system so to speak....Look it up its posted somewhere...I'll try to find it and edit if I do...

[komodoD]

Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 is now available. We use the same dose that had been shown to increase total test by 42% in only 12 days. It is currently 30% off during our Tax Return Sale. Everything is up to 40% off (http://thesourcecheck.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26229)


no offence bro but i cant really see much use in that.. you will increase your test by 42 percent which would be enough to bother cycling on and off, and you wouldnt wanna take it all the time so i cant really see its uses. esp since on this site most people are running 5x as much test than there bodies naturally produce anyway

[rucker]

no offence bro but i cant really see much use in that.. you will increase your test by 42 percent which would be enough to bother cycling on and off, and you wouldnt wanna take it all the time so i cant really see its uses. esp since on this site most people are running 5x as much test than there bodies naturally produce anyway

The main point in usingthe TCF-1 would be during PCT. So it will help kick start natural production faster than normal.

[komodoD]

The main point in usingthe TCF-1 would be during PCT. So it will help kick start natural production faster than normal.

so if you stop taking it do your levels drop back down?

[rucker]

so if you stop taking it do your levels drop back down?

gradually over about a week. but they wouldn't necessarily drop to where they were when you started pct, because your other pct products should be bringing you back up as well.

[getcrunk]

Am I on elitefitness because I coulda sworn I was on thesourcecheck.....

[rucker]

Am I on elitefitness because I coulda sworn I was on thesourcecheck.....

what confuses you?

[jamesUK]

Sounds like a marketing stuff for me

[maakshif]

Sounds like a marketing stuff for me

I agree just another marketing ploy to hit the market.

Isn't this considered soliciting? I thought sponsors had to stay in their designated section.

[komodoD]

I agree just another marketing ploy to hit the market.

Isn't this considered soliciting? I thought sponsors had to stay in their designated section.

your right bro this site seems to be changing pretty quick. the difference is we pay for this one.

[shanezog]

Why everyone shredding these guys products etc? They sponsor TSC and been on here a while!! get used to it and don't say something unless it's nice! ;) just because it's an OTC supplement dosen't mean it's crap!!!!!

Shane

[BAM]

It's not in the paid for section so I personally don't see it as a problem.

[G1972]

Why everyone shredding these guys products etc? They sponsor TSC and been on here a while!! get used to it and don't say something unless it's nice! ;) just because it's an OTC supplement dosen't mean it's crap!!!!!

Shane

True... the original superdrol and methyl masterone by legal gear were both once OTC supplements. I'd love to have a few bottles of the original MM by legal gear again.

[nutshangin]

moved.

[rucker]

Why everyone shredding these guys products etc? They sponsor TSC and been on here a while!! get used to it and don't say something unless it's nice! ;) just because it's an OTC supplement dosen't mean it's crap!!!!!

Shane

Thx bro

[Primordial Performance]

I partially disagree with the loss of gains theory and feel that it depends on how long you are able to maintain your muscle mass, what I mean is if you go on a cycle for 6 months and put on 30lbs which your body gets comfortable carrying around and in a sense becomes incorporated into your physiology you can maintain these gains despite the fact that they're beyond your initial genetic potential. I feel like you can reset this baseline and that many of us do over time. Think about it the muscle fibers have already expanded to the increased limit, the body has already been that strong before I feel like to an extent it can regain the strength, I view it like a big balloon that we used a helium tank to fill up the first time and then have to blow it up manually the next go around. It's already gotten to max size once it may take more work but we can fill it up again. Now this doesn't mean we can all be 300+ monsters running around naturally this is just saying that we have the ability to reset our natural limits through artificial means and maintain a part of that improvement but an even better question is...

WHEN DID WE START LETTING MEMBERS SPAM OUR FORUMS WITH CRAP PRODUCTS??

Within 2-3 months, most guys loose over 50% of their gains. The body just cant maintain the protein retention without the anabolic effect of the steroids.

Phyto-Test help stimulate protein retention without any androgenic/hormonal effects so its a good natural substitute to steroids. Obviously its not going to make you maintain 100% of the gains, but atleast more that what you could otherwise maintain naturally.

-Eric

[jamesUK]

Within 2-3 months, most guys loose over 50% of their gains. The body just cant maintain the protein retention without the anabolic effect of the steroids.

Phyto-Test help stimulate protein retention without any androgenic/hormonal effects so its a good natural substitute to steroids. Obviously its not going to make you maintain 100% of the gains, but atleast more that what you could otherwise maintain naturally.

-Eric
What about proper PCT protocols which consist of HCG (through cycle or prior to pct), clomid, nolva, AI stuff? Are they less effective than that supplement like stuff?

This sounds like testosterone injection vs tribulus. I haven't tried but i haven't ready any positive comments on those stuff EXCEPT sponsored forums and websites.

[Primordial Performance]

What about proper PCT protocols which consist of HCG (through cycle or prior to pct), clomid, nolva, AI stuff? Are they less effective than that supplement like stuff?

This sounds like testosterone injection vs tribulus. I haven't tried but i haven't ready any positive comments on those stuff EXCEPT sponsored forums and websites.

What about PCT protocols?

You will still need proper PCT. Phyto-Test isnt a substitute for that.

Its also not a substitute for injectable testosterone... but it can help keep your gains in conjunction with a proper PCT.

-Eric

[rucker]

Phyto-Test can help keep gains post cycle, increase gains on cycle, increase appetite, and increase libido.

Not for use as a stand alone PCT