anyone ever thought of making test cream with primordial's kit??

[redsamurai]

Just throwing this out there cause I have no fucking idea if this is possible or not..........but with primordial's gel kit and some raw powder, could you compound some test cream/gel??? Testosterone has a MW of less than 500, so that fits with their criteria........so maybe?

[explodingman]

this is possible and is done quite frequently with other transdermal carriers and other AAS.

it's an option for people that aren't up for pinning and is a better route than oral administration (depending on the compound).

realize that for most non-methlyated compounds, IM/sub-q is the best mode of delivery followed by transdermal and then oral. there are exceptions depending on a variety of factors...

i've had good results with transdermal carriers from Avant/Dermabolics. i've also seen good feedback on Primordial's carrier as well.

[redsamurai]

well shit, I just caught that we aren't supposed to talk about powders per se, is there a way to make the cream from test that is already in solution?

[TobyJ]

Just throwing this out there cause I have no fucking idea if this is possible or not..........but with primordial's gel kit and some raw powder, could you compound some test cream/gel??? Testosterone has a MW of less than 500, so that fits with their criteria........so maybe?

You'd just make your own androgel, which is not the best bet for a cycle. First, its not a one to one deal. Androgel puts about 10 times the test in each dose as they expect to make it into the blood.

Second, it takes a lot of gel. Androgel uses a factor of 100.

So, to get 5mg of test, you would use 5 grams of androgel, which contained 50mg of test.

So, assuming you had some sort of powder, this would be a pretty inefficient use of it.

Further, many have said that Andro ups DHT more than an equiv amount of injected test. This is probably due to it having to pass through the skin, where reductase enzymes live.

In short, bad idea.

Toby

[redsamurai]

Well first, i'm not that inclined to do a serious cycle anymore.......I've had heart problems that seem to have now subsided. But large dose cycles of gear are out of the question now. This is more for periodic HRT rather than a serious AAS cycle.

second, I thought I read that the new transdermals they were making now made absorption much much much better. Wasn't it about 30% in the past? I thought I read now that it's well above 50%. Not sure that's what the guys at PP are selling or not. I'm not even sure I want to go this route.......I have to do research on how you make the gel in the first place. I'm sure it's more invovled than just mixing powder into the ready made transedermal. You probably have to do something to the powder first. Again, I know we're not supposed to get too in depth with powder talk here at SC......so if anyone can just point me in a direction outside of this board that would be great.



You'd just make your own androgel, which is not the best bet for a cycle. First, its not a one to one deal. Androgel puts about 10 times the test in each dose as they expect to make it into the blood.

Second, it takes a lot of gel. Androgel uses a factor of 100.

So, to get 5mg of test, you would use 5 grams of androgel, which contained 50mg of test.

So, assuming you had some sort of powder, this would be a pretty inefficient use of it.

Further, many have said that Andro ups DHT more than an equiv amount of injected test. This is probably due to it having to pass through the skin, where reductase enzymes live.

In short, bad idea.

Toby

[TobyJ]

Well first, i'm not that inclined to do a serious cycle anymore.......I've had heart problems that seem to have now subsided. But large dose cycles of gear are out of the question now. This is more for periodic HRT rather than a serious AAS cycle.

second, I thought I read that the new transdermals they were making now made absorption much much much better. Wasn't it about 30% in the past? I thought I read now that it's well above 50%. Not sure that's what the guys at PP are selling or not. I'm not even sure I want to go this route.......I have to do research on how you make the gel in the first place. I'm sure it's more invovled than just mixing powder into the ready made transedermal. You probably have to do something to the powder first. Again, I know we're not supposed to get too in depth with powder talk here at SC......so if anyone can just point me in a direction outside of this board that would be great.

While it could be that transdermals have gotten much better, Solvay (makers of Androgel) had to go with a 10% factor to get decent dosages over a 24 hour period. I would think that if better stuff was available, someone like Solvay would have access to it, and use it.

I am on HRT, and I did the Androgel thing...never did work all that well, and strangely enough, just stopped working one day after about 2 years. I've been on inject test E for about 7 years now.

I also had heart problems, in the form of Afib...if you don't mind me asking...what were your issues?

Toby

[redsamurai]

You were in Afib?? wow, that's no joke. I know a guy who had that who just had ablation surgery a few months back. What that guy would tell me his heart would do was just insane. My problem was what they called "idiopathic cardiomyopathy". They never really found out for sure what it was. My new cardiologist thinks it was a problem with my autonomic nervous system.........wasn't controlling the heart right, especially the valve. At first he thought it was mild mitral valve prolapse.....but since i have kind of a large chest, he said it was hard to be sure cause the echo's weren't conclusive. I certainly didn't have the "click" that is the for sure symptom of MVP. So they're probably right that it was something with the nervous system which really does bring into question past hormone usage. I suspect that Clen may actually have been the culprit. I didn't use it really all that responsibly, my fault totally............but at the same time once you've gone through what I have it scares the crap out of you and benching a million pounds doesn't seem all that important anymore......:o





While it could be that transdermals have gotten much better, Solvay (makers of Androgel) had to go with a 10% factor to get decent dosages over a 24 hour period. I would think that if better stuff was available, someone like Solvay would have access to it, and use it.

I am on HRT, and I did the Androgel thing...never did work all that well, and strangely enough, just stopped working one day after about 2 years. I've been on inject test E for about 7 years now.

I also had heart problems, in the form of Afib...if you don't mind me asking...what were your issues?

Toby

[Primordial Performance]

Androgel is expensive and uses a basic cheap carrier that they’ve been using for the past 15 years. One application gets T levels into the normal range (which is the only purpose of the preparation) so there is no need to use a more efficient carrier.

So yeah, androgel is a poor choice for BB trying to cheaply get alot of T into the system.

On the other hand Ive seen guys put on 25lbs from a TD test base cycle on UG stuff…

-Eric

[1badmofo]

I saw the directions on using the PP transdermal solution, but say you use 5-6 gram of DHEA powder to end up with around 25mg/ml. there are 215 ml per bottle. How many squirts equals 1ml, or how many squirts per bottle?

[Primordial Performance]

I saw the directions on using the PP transdermal solution, but say you use 5-6 gram of DHEA powder to end up with around 25mg/ml. there are 215 ml per bottle. How many squirts equals 1ml, or how many squirts per bottle?

1.8ml per pump.

-Eric

[TobyJ]

You were in Afib?? wow, that's no joke. I know a guy who had that who just had ablation surgery a few months back. What that guy would tell me his heart would do was just insane. My problem was what they called "idiopathic cardiomyopathy". They never really found out for sure what it was. My new cardiologist thinks it was a problem with my autonomic nervous system.........wasn't controlling the heart right, especially the valve. At first he thought it was mild mitral valve prolapse.....but since i have kind of a large chest, he said it was hard to be sure cause the echo's weren't conclusive. I certainly didn't have the "click" that is the for sure symptom of MVP. So they're probably right that it was something with the nervous system which really does bring into question past hormone usage. I suspect that Clen may actually have been the culprit. I didn't use it really all that responsibly, my fault totally............but at the same time once you've gone through what I have it scares the crap out of you and benching a million pounds doesn't seem all that important anymore......:o

I also had an ablation (actually, two of them) last year...best decision of my life. For the past 7 years, I had been on various medications to keep my heart in sinus rhythm, each with their own set of side effects. I've been med and afib free for 4 months now. And no, it was no joke when it happened. What was worse was the flutter that came as a result of the first ablation attempt...heart would go from 70 to over 200bpm without warning.

I hear you about hormone use...I've did a couple of cycles years ago, and have been on HRT for about 10 years...perhaps as a result of poor PCT...didn't have great boards like TSC when I played. None of my cardiologists feel that any of the hormones played a role, but at least one felt that being a lifter (or any other type of athlete) might have put me at a bigger risk of afib, due to increased heart rate variability.

Good luck with your issues,

Toby

[Dabuffguy]

Use finaplix!!

Extract the tren from the pellets and put it in their topical solution. Hell yeah!!!!!!

[manboy49]

so could you make a really beefed up androgel from test suspension? I hope these questions aren't breaking any rules. There is a thread on here about using different compounds than what androgel uses to get much better absorbtion? I think is with DMSO and such compounds?